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Post by BluesGM on Oct 10, 2018 22:14:59 GMT
I put together every teams' banked cash as of the last sim (which they will have for the roll over when the league takes it all away) Anaheim Ducks: $29m Arizona Coyotes: $33m (only in a game would these guys make so much money  ) Boston Bruins: $47m Buffalo Sabres: $31m Calgary Flames: $24m Carolina Hurricanes: $65m Chicago Blackhawks: $44m Colorado Avalanche: $48m Columbus Blue Jackets: $30m Dallas Stars: $47m Detroit Red Wings: $44m Florida Panthers: $46m Edmonton Oilers: $31m Los Angeles Kings: $54m Minnesota Wild: $56 Montreal Canadiens: $40m Nashville Predators: $53m New Jersey Devils: $48m New York Islanders: $40m New York Rangers: $49m Ottawa Senators: $74m Philadelphia Flyers: $31m Pittsburgh Penguins: $4m San Jose Sharks: $43m St. Louis Blues: $64m Tampa Bay Lightning: $75m Toronto Maple Leafs: $25m Vancouver Canucks: $35m Washington Capitals: $46m Winnipeg Jets: $47m So if we go ahead with the CON points for money, we have all the info here |
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Post by oilersgm on Oct 18, 2018 2:41:24 GMT
So I have a couple concerns here that only just occurred to me, mostly to do with ticket prices and arena sizes. I haven't been concerned about either, but now I find I'm ~12mil below the average (around 43mil) because I had relatively low ticket prices and the 5th smallest arena.
For comparison sake:
Edm ticket prices of 36/30/177 earned 815,670 for a sellout.
Phi ticket prices of 34/33/173 earned 927,153.
Van ticket prices of 36/31/169 earned 871,361.
So even though their ticket prices were roughly the same, Philly likely made ~4.6mil more than me over 41 home games (not counting playoffs) and Vancouver ~2.3mil.
I know ticket sales are also impacted by team quality, but I feel that should be on the GM more so than ticket prices (or arena size). So Montreal has the biggest building by far (21,273 vs Chicago in second at 20,500), relatively low ticket prices of 31/34/190, but I can't find a sellout in ~10 games I checked because the team wasn't very good. Fair enough, but at the same time I'm finding teams that made over 1.1mil during sellouts (which could work out to ~13.2mil over 41 home games), simply because they had higher ticket prices and a bigger arena.
(of note, the teams that made the most money, Tampa and Ottawa, were an average team with the 4th biggest arena and a very good team with an average arena respectively, while the team that made by far the least, Pittsburgh, was a bad team with the 3rd smallest arena)
Now I should note that I'm not suggesting that we should change the above amounts for this season, but I do think that, if we want to use team revenue as a way to improve our teams, we can't be giving some teams a completely arbitrary leg up over others. Having a standard ticket price and arena size would mean the GM would only be responsible for the thing that actually matters - icing a good team (well, and signing bonuses, but you know what I mean).
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Post by artemy (NJ) on Oct 18, 2018 10:49:40 GMT
Well, this is a sim league  simulation is just like in real life. Imagine Montreal mayor insists on making taxes equal to Dallas If I remember correctly, Radulov signed the contract for the same amount in Dal, he was offered in Mtl, but paid way less taxes. |
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Post by BluesGM on Oct 18, 2018 12:07:29 GMT
Ticket prices and arena sizes are all different around the NHL as well
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Post by BluesGM on Oct 18, 2018 12:11:27 GMT
If anything should be edited, it should be each team's respective team budgets. They should all be set to $70m
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Post by oilersgm on Oct 18, 2018 12:22:36 GMT
Well, this is a sim league simulation is just like in real life. Imagine Montreal mayor insists on making taxes equal to Dallas If I remember correctly, Radulov signed the contract for the same amount in Dal, he was offered in Mtl, but paid way less taxes. Okay, so I should lobby the mayor, who doesn't exist because it's a game that doesn't include mayors, to pay for a bigger arena - maybe one that can seat 18,347 for hockey. The owner, who doesn't exist because it's a game that doesn't include owners, will pay 23.68mil while also putting 137.81mil in lease revenue towards the arena. Of course, because lease revenue also doesn't exist in the game, that doesn't really matter. Alternatively, I will just threaten to move the team. Cleveland has an arena that reportedly seats 20,056, so I will just move the team there. But you're right, imagine if we insisted that taxes were equal. Oh wait, in this game they are. |
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Post by artemy (NJ) on Oct 18, 2018 13:39:09 GMT
Well, this is a sim league simulation is just like in real life. Imagine Montreal mayor insists on making taxes equal to Dallas If I remember correctly, Radulov signed the contract for the same amount in Dal, he was offered in Mtl, but paid way less taxes. Okay, so I should lobby the mayor, who doesn't exist because it's a game that doesn't include mayors, to pay for a bigger arena - maybe one that can seat 18,347 for hockey. The owner, who doesn't exist because it's a game that doesn't include owners, will pay 23.68mil while also putting 137.81mil in lease revenue towards the arena. Of course, because lease revenue also doesn't exist in the game, that doesn't really matter. Alternatively, I will just threaten to move the team. Cleveland has an arena that reportedly seats 20,056, so I will just move the team there. But you're right, imagine if we insisted that taxes were equal. Oh wait, in this game they are. Can you log in, Mr Katz? |
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Post by oilersgm on Oct 18, 2018 15:37:23 GMT
I've changed my mind, I'm going to move the team to Pyongyang where we'll play in the Rungrado 1st of May Stadium, capacity 114,000. Pyongyang Oilers has a nice ring to it.
I'm a little bit baffled as to why you two think this is where we should be drawing the line in the sand between reality and a game. The game is in 2024, we're in 2018. The game has 30 teams (including Atlanta) in 6 divisions, real life has 31 in 4 divisions, with different playoff formats too. The game has 5 rounds for the draft, real life is 7.
In the game we all have the same quality staff, each paid the same amount of money with about the same age - why is it weird to have the same arena size and fixed ticket prices but not weird to have basically the same staff? We ignore in-game stuff all the time, like the expansion draft. But now that we've decided team funds matter, you guys are convinced it has to be vaguely realistic? Even though that's not possible - no team only has A seats, B seats, and boxes after all.
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Post by artemy (NJ) on Oct 18, 2018 16:43:26 GMT
Well, on the whole i think EHM is just a matter of fun first of all and we should just enjoy it without trying to equalize everything we did not start seasons with all equal players, equal draftpicks and so on In fact we argue about 10-12 mln that is only 2 cons for 1 player, that can be solved with one captain meeting When i entered the league i had a chance to choose det for example, they had good chances and good balance, but chose nj just because i like them No matter what stadium they have, just to make fun peace all (do i write correctly? ) |
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Post by Pittsburgh(Doug) on Oct 19, 2018 12:51:42 GMT
It is possible that the inequality of the areana's may make using extra cash after a season not possible in a fair manner. I do agree that since we are playing with a cap that we should have the player budget set. The more things that get edited in a league the trickier things get when it comes to things that were originally meant to have a flavor impact only (such as the size of an arena).
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Post by islandersgm on Oct 19, 2018 15:27:33 GMT
I personally don't mind if the arenas are different sizes. It adds a different wrinkle, which keeps things interesting. Plus I think in more cases it is only a difference of 1-2 con points. If the majority want it to be equal than I'm fine with it. I don't really see it is a big deal either way if its something that can be easily edited.
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Post by Stephen (League Admin) on Oct 20, 2018 0:14:32 GMT
I think it would be fairer to level the league out for such things, let me look in to it when i get a few spare minutes. I think we looked at this before though and couldnt pull it off.
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i'll be doing it all on friday as its teh only day off I have at the moment. Sorry, we are down people and its long late shifts at teh moment.