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I already voted. From Switzerland. Awesome feeling.

[dallasgm]

I'm going to vote for Deez Nutz.

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I'm still torn between wasting my vote on the NDP or wasting it on Communists - whose platform, honestly, is one I can get behind. I just wish they'd change the dang name.

[dallasgm]

Well communist do think a like..

[SensGM]

Sept 2, 2015 20:23:52 GMT chris8185 said:

I would love to see all of Canada boycott the vote. What would they do if only like a thousand people ended up voting? I think it'd be pretty funny. It really doesn't matter who you vote for, you're gonna get fugged either way. Politicians lie through their every time they open their mouths, and I don't trust any one of them for even a second.

Would be funny but bad if boytoy, no qualification, I'm clearly living off of Daddy's reputation Trudeau won. 

To me it is a 2 horse race and both are equally bad with one that is selling off the country to others and his friends while quietly adding more big brother bullShatner (Harper). The other (Mulcair) is plotting to rape our bank accounts and remove all savings vehicles that are currently tax free raising taxes a lot while adding nothing of benefit to the people. 

Lose all privacy and live in a big brother state (Harper) or have a government that is going to pretty much steal all of your money and still rack up record debts (NDP) while accomplishing nothing worthwhile for Canadians.... Scary times.

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Sept 2, 2015 20:23:52 GMT chris8185 said:

I would love to see all of Canada boycott the vote. What would they do if only like a thousand people ended up voting? I think it'd be pretty funny. It really doesn't matter who you vote for, you're gonna get fugged either way. Politicians lie through their every time they open their mouths, and I don't trust any one of them for even a second.

I hate seeing this kind of attitude from so many people, especially young people. I get it, but I hate it.

I've been involved in running election campaigns and stuff, so I'm biased. But there are many politicians with good intentions. Yes, many of them are snakes and will stoop to anything to get elected. I don't deny that. But I've worked with some great candidates over the years who are great people and they're running to improve the lives of the people in the area.

When you get to the level of party leaders, no, I wouldn't trust Harper, Mulcair or Trudeau as far as I can throw them. But in these cases, you vote based on the local candidate, or the parties' platforms, or your general political views. I believe the ability to vote and choose who governs us is the most important human right we have. If you don't vote, you have no right to complain imo. The way things are going, voter turnout is just gonna keep going down and down and down.

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Sept 3, 2015 2:03:41 GMT @phoenixgm said:

I'm still torn between wasting my vote on the NDP or wasting it on Communists - whose platform, honestly, is one I can get behind. I just wish they'd change the dang name.

Except (depending on your riding) a vote for the NDP isn't a waste anymore.

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Sept 3, 2015 14:10:45 GMT @lakings said:

Sept 2, 2015 20:23:52 GMT chris8185 said:

I would love to see all of Canada boycott the vote. What would they do if only like a thousand people ended up voting? I think it'd be pretty funny. It really doesn't matter who you vote for, you're gonna get fugged either way. Politicians lie through their every time they open their mouths, and I don't trust any one of them for even a second.

I hate seeing this kind of attitude from so many people, especially young people. I get it, but I hate it.

I've been involved in running election campaigns and stuff, so I'm biased. But there are many politicians with good intentions. Yes, many of them are snakes and will stoop to anything to get elected. I don't deny that. But I've worked with some great candidates over the years who are great people and they're running to improve the lives of the people in the area.

When you get to the level of party leaders, no, I wouldn't trust Harper, Mulcair or Trudeau as far as I can throw them. But in these cases, you vote based on the local candidate, or the parties' platforms, or your general political views. I believe the ability to vote and choose who governs us is the most important human right we have. If you don't vote, you have no right to complain imo. The way things are going, voter turnout is just gonna keep going down and down and down.

That is the underlying problem with our system. You can have a great local candidate that is clearly the best person to represent your area, regardless of party, however, if you hate the party leader you usually do not vote for that person.  Most folks I know vote party first and local candidate second. Even still I know of many cases in my life so far where folks that wanted one party did not vote for them because their local candidate or the party leader is a total douche.

I really want the vote for the PM to be separate from the vote for your local candidate. An elected senate of people non party affiliated would go a long long way to solving a lot of political issues in this country.

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Yeah you're right. I think we need to start looking at proportional representation.

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Sept 3, 2015 14:14:17 GMT @lakings said:

Sept 3, 2015 2:03:41 GMT @phoenixgm said:

I'm still torn between wasting my vote on the NDP or wasting it on Communists - whose platform, honestly, is one I can get behind. I just wish they'd change the dang name.

Except (depending on your riding) a vote for the NDP isn't a waste anymore.

It'd be a waste because I don't support them
(having said that, it's pretty much guaranteed David McGuinty will win again)


Also: Heck no on proportional representation, ranked ballots all the way. 

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Ranked ballots is a form of PR is it not? Not sure exactly what you're referring to.

Obviously depends on the form of PR used, and how hard it is for the public to understand. But something has to change.

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Sept 3, 2015 20:20:17 GMT @lakings said:

Ranked ballots is a form of PR is it not? Not sure exactly what you're referring to.

Obviously depends on the form of PR used, and how hard it is for the public to understand. But something has to change.

Hmm, I wrote the below, but then looked it up: technically yes, ranked ballots are considered a form of PR. But I think most people view PR as it is literally named, and I've never actually seen anyone call ranked ballots a form of PR until now (because it's not really proportional? I mean, it's probably more proportional than FPTP, but you could still have parties getting far higher/lower vote % vs seat % if your supporters are concentrated in a small region, or spread out very thinly)

Sidenote: Sorry guys, I could go on for days about this.

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Well, PR is literally just % of votes. If you get 30% of the vote, you get 30% of the seats, though I believe most such systems use a cut-off (for example, we have 338 seats, so at the very least you'd need 0.296% of the vote to get your one seat, but they might use a minimum of 1%, or 5%, or whatever). What happens in such systems is the party gets to choose their MPs, which means there's no representation for individual ridings, one of the main reasons I don't like it - I'm well aware that our current system does not have MPs really caring that much about their constituents, beyond any vote buying measures like Tony Clement's gazebo, but I believe such systems erode that even further.
    Furthermore, that type of system means you are voting for a party, and then the party is choosing MPs - which means we have no say in who the party chooses. At least as it stands now, if (for example) the Bloc supporters of Saint-Jerome hate the fetid dingo's kidneys that is Pierre Karl Peladeau, they can choose to vote against him. But under PR, he would be automatically given a seat.

My preference would mean you keep the local MPs, but you even things out a little. So for example, I would walk into my polling booth and give them Communist a 1, NDP a 2, Liberal a 3 (unless there's a Rhino party candidate, then they'd get the 2 ). At the end of the election, the election officers place every ballot in piles and count them out. If one candidate gets 50%+1, congrats, they win the riding, because they have majority support. If not, then the smallest pile (probably my Communists) gets redistributed to the 2nd choices, in my case the NDP. Thus I have both shown my support for the party I actually want to elect, while also ensuring that at least 50% of the votes actually have an impact.

At the end of the day, the results would be shown in a couple ways: Seats won, according to who ended up with 50%+1, and voter distribution by both rank 1 and where the votes ended up post re-distribution. This is one of my favourite parts of it, because let's say the Communists managed to get 15 or 20% of the rank 1s - all of a sudden, everyone would take them more seriously. But standard PR means that voters would still be looking at the big picture and voting for the 'least' evil party.